"2018 學語集 11 - 15"의 두 판 사이의 차이
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Julian Butterfield (토론 | 기여) (→Student 2 : (Write your name)) |
(→Student 14 : (Write your name)) |
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+ There being no singular or plural differentiation in hanmun makes a difference in the effect of the last line with 农夫. I chose to zoom in close on one farmer in the singular versus generic farmers in the plural - inspiration in part from William Carlos Williams - but this would be been left ambiguous in the Chinese - perhaps fruitfully, or perhaps fuzzily, without a deliberate microcosmic look on the level of the person singular. What would you have chosen here / why? | + There being no singular or plural differentiation in hanmun makes a difference in the effect of the last line with 农夫. I chose to zoom in close on one farmer in the singular versus generic farmers in the plural - inspiration in part from William Carlos Williams - but this would be been left ambiguous in the Chinese - perhaps fruitfully, or perhaps fuzzily, without a deliberate microcosmic look on the level of the person singular. What would you have chosen here / why? | ||
| − | ==='''Student 14 : ( | + | ==='''Student 14 : (Kathy Lin)'''=== |
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| + | Summer | ||
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| + | The season of summer: long days, a fragrant breeze. The grasses and trees grow out in profusion. The farmer weeds and tills. | ||
*Discussion Questions: | *Discussion Questions: | ||
| − | + | + A variation of the question posted above in Hagojip 13, regarding farmer in the singular vs. plural. In the singular in English, we further have the choice of *a* farmer vs. *the* farmer. Again the English language offers possibilities for precision here not possible in the native Chinese and hence, opportunities (a choice in fact must be made) for creation. What would you choose/why? (Noting that if we had more context or story, that would possibly decide the matter for us) | |
[[Category:2018 Hanmun Summer Workshop]] | [[Category:2018 Hanmun Summer Workshop]] | ||
[[Category:Intermediate Training Group]] | [[Category:Intermediate Training Group]] | ||
2018년 7월 5일 (목) 20:55 판
목차
- 1 Original Script
- 2 Translation
- 2.1 (sample) : Young Kyun Oh
- 2.2 Student 1 : (Julian Butterfield)
- 2.3 Student 2 : (Julian Butterfield)
- 2.4 Student 3 : (Write your name)
- 2.5 Student 4 : (Write your name)
- 2.6 Student 5 : (Write your name)
- 2.7 Student 6 : (Write your name)
- 2.8 Student 7 : (Write your name)
- 2.9 Student 8 : (Write your name)
- 2.10 Student 9 : (Write your name)
- 2.11 Student 10 : (Write your name)
- 2.12 Student 11 : (Write your name)
- 2.13 Student 12 : (Write your name)
- 2.14 Student 13 : (Kathy Lin)
- 2.15 Student 14 : (Kathy Lin)
Original Script
::: 學語集 :::
11. 雷
陰陽相搏而成雷聲動以爲天皇之威
- 相 V: V each other
- 以為 N/C: regard as N / think that C
12. 霜
秋冬之間天氣上昇地氣下降霜乃降肅殺萬物使草木黃落.
- N1 N2 之間: between N1 and N2
- 乃 C: so/then/namely C
- 使 N V: make N V
13. 春
春之爲時也日暖風和草木化生百花爭發農夫耕田
- N 之 VP: for N to VP > the way that N VP
14. 夏
夏之爲時也日永風薰草木長茂農人耘秄
- N 也: pause marker
15. 秋
夏盡秋來凉風至霜露降草木黃落百穀用成農人收穫
- NN (Noun Compound)
- VV (Verb Compound)
Translation
(sample) : Young Kyun Oh
- Discussion Questions:
Student 1 : (Julian Butterfield)
Yin and yang grapple and result in a thunderous sound; people take its movements to be the Heavenly Sovereign's majesty.[1]
- Discussion Questions:
- Is it typical for Chinese authors to describe thunder (and especially its sound) in terms of movement (動)? Does this word have a more appropriate English gloss in this context (one that might work more elegantly with 威, for example)?
Student 2 : (Julian Butterfield)
Between autumn and winter, the qi of heaven rises up while the earth's qi draws downward: frost then drops desolation upon the myriad things, causing vegetation to wither and droop.
- Discussion Questions:
- Does 秋冬之間 indicate the time between the seasons, or the space of the two seasons as a whole?
- What are some possible disadvantages of not translating qi/ki? Is there a preferable English option?
Student 3 : (Write your name)
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Student 4 : (Write your name)
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Student 5 : (Write your name)
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Student 6 : (Write your name)
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Student 7 : (Write your name)
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Student 8 : (Write your name)
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Student 9 : (Write your name)
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Student 10 : (Write your name)
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Student 11 : (Write your name)
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Student 12 : (Write your name)
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Student 13 : (Kathy Lin)
Spring
The season of spring: the days are warm and the winds mild. The grasses and trees are changed into life. A hundred flowers vie, blooming. A farmer plows the field.
- Discussion Questions:
+ There being no singular or plural differentiation in hanmun makes a difference in the effect of the last line with 农夫. I chose to zoom in close on one farmer in the singular versus generic farmers in the plural - inspiration in part from William Carlos Williams - but this would be been left ambiguous in the Chinese - perhaps fruitfully, or perhaps fuzzily, without a deliberate microcosmic look on the level of the person singular. What would you have chosen here / why?
Student 14 : (Kathy Lin)
Summer
The season of summer: long days, a fragrant breeze. The grasses and trees grow out in profusion. The farmer weeds and tills.
- Discussion Questions:
- ↑ This probably refers to the first of the "Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors" (三皇五帝) laid out in the Shi ji 史記 and Yiwen leiju 藝文類聚.
