Nongsajikseol - Introduction - 편집 역사

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‎Original Script

Jeeeun: /* Discussion */

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‎Discussion

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‎Class Discussion (March 21, 2018)

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‎Class Discussion (March 21, 2018)

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‎Class Discussion (March 21, 2018)

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‎Tutor 2: 김현

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‎Collaborative Translation Result

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@@ 17번째 줄: / 17번째 줄: @@
 # 乃命諸道監司, 逮訪州縣老農, 因地已試之驗具聞.
 # 又命臣招就加詮, 次臣與宗簿小尹臣卞孝文, 披閱參考,
-# 袪其重複. 取其切要, 撰成一編目, 曰農事直說.
+# 袪其重複. 取其切要, 撰成一編, 目曰農事直說.
 # 農事之外, 不雜他說, 務爲簡直, 使山野之民, 曉然易知.
 # 旣進下鑄字所印若干本, 將以頒諸中外<ref>中外: 조정(朝廷)과 민간(民間)</ref>,

@@ 452번째 줄: / 452번째 줄: @@
 * Korean Ver.2
 * English Ver.1
-* English Ver.1
+* English Ver.2
 의 순서로 배열하였습니다.

@@ 647번째 줄: / 647번째 줄: @@
 *Farming is better than agriculture in this context
 *Time versus seasons for 시?
-**A good chance to talk about the 24 season cycle and how King Sejong valued timekeeping and helped invent many clocks.
+**A good opportunity to talk about the 24 season cycle and how King Sejong valued timekeeping and helped invent many clocks.
 *Is 농자 farming or farmer?
 *Which poem(s) about agriculture from the ''Sijing'' should we reference?

@@ 645번째 줄: / 645번째 줄: @@
 ===Class Discussion (March 21, 2018)===
 *Decided to use RR for now
-*Farming is better than agriculture in this context because it is about crops only and
+*Farming is better than agriculture in this context
-*Time versus seasons for 시
+*Time versus seasons for 시?
 **A good chance to talk about the 24 season cycle and how King Sejong valued timekeeping and helped invent many clocks.
 *Is 농자 farming or farmer?
-*Which poem about agriculture from the ''Sijing'' should we reference?
+*Which poem(s) about agriculture from the ''Sijing'' should we reference?
 *How to translate 家? Does it refer to the royal family? Or the institution of the Zhou Dynasty?
 *How to translate 繼明 계명 whether it is referring specifically to Taejong or... ? previous king or bright legacy?
 *Is this a forward, preface, introduction?<ref>http://www.writersandeditors.com/preface__foreword__or_introduction__57375.htm ''Writers and Editors'', "What is the difference between a preface, a foreword, and an introduction?"]</ref> --> preface is best it seems
 *The diplomatic relationship between Ming and Joseon so they secretly shared agricultural knowledge only among themselves (not sharing with Japan, etc.)
-*Last line: "Though this book is small, [is it possible for] its benefits be expressed in words?" - (Lyndsey?)
+*Last line: "Though this book is small, we cannot overstate its benefit." - (Lyndsey?)
 *Some problems with translation from Classical Chinese to Korean; There are different versions and sometimes the phrasing is overcomplicated and therefore makes the meaning unclear.
 *Some words cannot be translated in Korean exactly, so they may need to be written in Chinese pronounciation with explanation?

@@ 652번째 줄: / 652번째 줄: @@
 *How to translate 家? Does it refer to the royal family? Or the institution of the Zhou Dynasty?
 *How to translate 繼明 계명 whether it is referring specifically to Taejong or... ? previous king or bright legacy?
-*Is this a forward, preface, introduction? [http://www.writersandeditors.com/preface__foreword__or_introduction__57375.htm ''Writers and Editors'', "What is the difference between a preface, a foreword, and an introduction?"] --> preface is best it seems
+*Is this a forward, preface, introduction?<ref>http://www.writersandeditors.com/preface__foreword__or_introduction__57375.htm ''Writers and Editors'', "What is the difference between a preface, a foreword, and an introduction?"]</ref> --> preface is best it seems
 *The diplomatic relationship between Ming and Joseon so they secretly shared agricultural knowledge only among themselves (not sharing with Japan, etc.)
 *Last line: "Though this book is small, [is it possible for] its benefits be expressed in words?" - (Lyndsey?)
@@ 659번째 줄: / 659번째 줄: @@
 *Raising family and holding ancestral rituals for the dead - how to phrase this in English?
 *Explanation of how to use Chinese dictionary website features
+*Explanation of classical Chinese grammar
 ===English Translation, Version 3 (Editor: __________ )===

@@ 586번째 줄: / 586번째 줄: @@
 * 命摠制鄭招等, 撰農事直說.
-*# 命 A 爲 B  ............ make A do B
+*# 命 A 爲 B  ............ order A to do B
 *# 摠制鄭招
 *#*以鄭招爲吏曹參判, (세종/10/03/14)

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	=='''Collaborative Translation Result'''==		=='''Collaborative Translation Result'''==
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		+	===Class Discussion (March 21, 2018)===
		+	*Decided to use RR for now
		+	*Farming is better than agriculture in this context because it is about crops only and
		+	*Time versus seasons for 시
		+	**A good chance to talk about the 24 season cycle and how King Sejong valued timekeeping and helped invent many clocks.
		+	*Is 농자 farming or farmer?
		+	*Which poem about agriculture from the ''Sijing'' should we reference?
		+	*How to translate 家? Does it refer to the royal family? Or the institution of the Zhou Dynasty?
		+	*How to translate 繼明 계명 whether it is referring specifically to Taejong or... ? previous king or bright legacy?
		+	*Is this a forward, preface, introduction? [http://www.writersandeditors.com/preface__foreword__or_introduction__57375.htm ''Writers and Editors'', "What is the difference between a preface, a foreword, and an introduction?"] --> preface is best it seems
		+	*The diplomatic relationship between Ming and Joseon so they secretly shared agricultural knowledge only among themselves (not sharing with Japan, etc.)
		+	*Last line: "Though this book is small, [is it possible for] its benefits be expressed in words?" - (Lyndsey?)
		+	*Some problems with translation from Classical Chinese to Korean; There are different versions and sometimes the phrasing is overcomplicated and therefore makes the meaning unclear.
		+	*Some words cannot be translated in Korean exactly, so they may need to be written in Chinese pronounciation with explanation?
		+	*Raising family and holding ancestral rituals for the dead - how to phrase this in English?
		+	*Explanation of how to use Chinese dictionary website features
		+

	===English Translation, Version 3 (Editor: __________ )===		===English Translation, Version 3 (Editor: __________ )===

@@ 500번째 줄: / 500번째 줄: @@
 developing the philosophy of Agriculturalism?
-To check on this source: 后稷教民稼穡。樹藝五穀'The Minister of Agriculture taught the people to sow and reap, cultivating the five kinds of grain.'<ref>[https://ctext.org/pre-qin-and-han?searchu=%E5%90%8E%E7%A8%B7]滕文公上 - Teng Wen Gong I from 孟子 - Mengzi!</ref>
+To check on this source:
    孟子 Mengzi - compilation period 戰國 公元前340年-公元前250年 Warring States 340 BC-250 BC
 =====Discussion=====

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 ====Line 5====
-Chinese Text Project (refer to Evelyn for the link)
+Chinese Text Project
 Section 《先秦兩漢》(Pre-Qin and Han) - 經典文獻 (Ancient Classics):
    尚書 (Shang Shu or 書/書經, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Documents The Book of Documents/The Classic of History]) - compilation period 春秋 (公元前772年 - 公元前476年), Spring and Autumn (772 BC - 476 BC)

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-Chinese Text Project (refer to Evelyn for the link)
+Chinese Text Project
 -Section 《先秦兩漢》(Pre-Qin and Han)- 史書 (Histories):
   漢書 (Han Shu or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Han Book of Han]) - compilation period 新 - 東漢 36年-111年, Xin - Eastern Han 36-111
       紀, Ji, Annals - [https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%BC%A2%E6%9B%B8/%E5%8D%B7004 卷004, Volume 4] - 文帝紀 (Annals of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wen_of_Han Emperor Wen], 179-157 BCE)
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