"(2017Translation) 矛盾"의 두 판 사이의 차이

2017년 7월 10일 (월) 08:10 판

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Title
English	Spear and shield
Chinese	矛盾
Korean(RR)	모순
Document Details
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Type
Author(s)	Han Fei zi 韓非子
Year
Key Concepts
Translation Info
Translator(s)	Participants of 2017 Summer Hanmun Workshop (Intermediate Training Group)
Editor(s)
Year	2017

Original Script

Translation

[sample] Instructor : Young Kyun Oh

In the state of Chu (Chinese: 楚), there was a man who sold shields and spears. Praising the spear, he said, "As for the sturdiness of my shield, nothing can break through it." Praising the spear, he said, "As for the sharpness of my spear, [when it is applied] on things, there is nothing it does not break through." Someone said, "If you break through your shield with your spear, what would it be like?" The man could not respond to it. A shield that cannot be broken through and a spear that can break through anything cannot sustain sharing the same time.

Student 1 : Sanghoon Na

There was a man in the state of Chu, who was selling shields and spears. He praised them saying: “My shields are sturdy, and nothing can sink into them.” Again, he praised his spears saying:“My spears are sharp to anything, [so] there is nothing that they cannot sink into.” Someone asked: “If you pierced your shield with your spear, what would it be like?” The man could not answer. So a shield that cannot be pierced and a spear that can pierce anything cannot be in the same generation and stand [together].

Student 2 : Younès M'Ghari

Among the people of Chu, there was someone selling spears and shields; he was praising them saying: "[With] The solidity of my shield, nothing can go through [it]." Again, he praised his spear saying: "[With] The sharpness of my spear, there is nothing that it does not go through." Someone said: Your spear going through your shield (%% If you lanced/pierced your shield with your spear,%%), how would that be ?" To this, he could not answer. As a matter of fact, a shield that nothing can go through and a spear that can go through anything cannot coexist in the same time.

Student 3 : Petra Sváková

Among the people of the state Chu, there was a man who was selling a spear and a shield and he was praising them and said: "My shield is so strong that nothing can pierce it." Also he praised his spear saying: "There is nothing among things {this is creative} the sharpness of my spear cannot penetrate." Someone said: "[What if I try to] Pierce your shield with your spear, how would that be?" He could not response to that. So the shield which cannot be penetrated and the spear which cannot be pierced, they cannot exist in the same generation.

Student 4 : (Write your name)

In the state of Chu there was a man who sold shields and spears.

Praising them, he said: "The sturdiness of my shields [is such that] nothing can pierce them."

Again praising his spears, he said: "The sharpness of my spears against anything [is such that there is] nothing [it] pierces not."

Someone asked, "Using your spears to pierce your shields, how's that like?"

He could not answer.

So, a shield that cannot be pierced and a spear [with] nothing [it] pierces not cannot [within the] same time exist.

Student 5 : Jae Yong Chang

There was a man in the state of Chu who was selling a shield and a spear. (He was) proudly {%%He praised them,%%) saying that his shield was so strong that nothing made it damaged. Saying again, {Again, praising them}%%, he said my spear was also so sharp on anything that it’s impossible to be damaged {%%that it can make damage on anything%%}. A person asked, "if you were to take your spear to strike your shield, what would happen? Then he couldn’t answer. Generally speaking, a shield that cannot be damaged and a spear that cannot be damaged {%%that can damage anything%%}, cannot be in the same world and exist.

Student 6 : (Goeun Lee)

Among the Chu people, there was a person selling shields and spears. Proudly {%%Praising them,%%} he said, “My shield is strong, so {%%With the hardness of my shield,%%} nothing can make a hole in it!” He also boasted his spears saying, “My spear is sharp, so {%%The sharpness of my spear%%} there is nothing it cannot penetrate.” {00how do you reflect 於物?00} Someone said, “[Try] your spear on your shield to make a hole. How about that?”That person was unable to answer to that. Surely it is impossible that a shield which is unpenetrable {%%impenetrable%%%} and a spear which penetrates everything coexist in the same age.

Student 7 : (Alexandre Le Marchand)

In the kingdom {%%State%%} of Chu was a man selling spears and shields. He praises it saying this: “the hardness of my shields, there is nothing that can break through it”. And then he adds praise about he’s {%%his%%%} shield saying: “the sharpness of my spear, there is nothing it can’t be damage {%%that cannot be damaged%%} by it”. Someone said: “What {%%How%%} about using one of your spears to break through one of your shields?” The seller was unable to respond to this. Well, there is no way a spear is damageable without any damaged shield. {00 This part is not clear. Retry?00} It cannot occur at the same moment and both standing up. it do not damaging a shield.

Student 8 : Bryan Sauvadet

In the kingdom {%%State%%} of Chu 楚 , there was a man who sells {%%sold%%} shields and spears. He praised the hardness of his shields {00 just "shield" may be ok for 之, but "the hardness..." is too much and better be added in the next clause00}; such {^that^} he said, “To the views of my shields, {00This is not clear. Which part does it translate?00} nothing can break through it.”

又譽其矛曰吾矛之利，於物無不陷也。

Also, he praised his spear and said “To {%%With%%} the hardness of my spears, there is nothing it cannot spike into.

或曰以子之矛陷子之楯，何如？

Someone question the seller and said “If you pierce your shield with your spear, what’s going to happen?”

其人弗能應也。

The man couldn’t respond.

夫不可陷之楯與無不陷之矛，不可同世而立。

So, a shield that cannot be pierced and a spear that can pierce anything cannot share a generation and stand together.

《韓非.難一》

Student 9 : HeeJin Lee

Among the people of Chu, [there was] one who sold shields and spears, [he] praised them [and] said the firmness of my shields, nothing is able to pierce [them] {00 maybe "it" referring to the firmness?00} . Again [he] praised his spears [and] said the sharpness of my spears, among things there is nothing that they {%%it%%} cannot pierce. Someone said use your spears to pierce your shields, how can that be? {%%what would happen/what would it be like?%%} He was not able to respond to this. It is the case that a shield that cannot be pierced and a spear that does not pierce nothing cannot share and stand in [the same] age.

Student 10 : Jelena Gledić

In the state of Chu, there was a man who sold shields and spears. Praising them, he would say: “My shield is so sturdy {00This doesn't show 'N 之 NP' form, though it flows better.00} that nothing can pierce it.” And then, lauding his spears, he would continue: “My spear is so sharp, there is nothing it cannot pierce. {00How about "The sharpness of my spears, when applied on things, there is nothing that it cannot pierce”?00} Someone asked: “And if your spear were to pierce your shield, what would happen?” The man was unable to answer. A shield that cannot be pierced and a spear that can pierce anything cannot exist in the same realm. "Han Feizi"

Student 11 : (Write your name)

Student 12 : (Write your name)

Student 13 : Ra YeonJae

There was a person who sold spears and shields among the people of Chu. Praising them and he said, “the strength of my shields is like such that nothing can go through it.” Also, praising the shields and he said, “the sharpness of my spear is such that there is nothing that it cannot go through.” Someone asked, “if you pierce your shield with your spear, how would that be?” The seller could not respond to that. Therefore, a shield that cannot be gone through and a spear that nothing can go through could not exist and stand in the same time.

Student 14 : (Write your name)