2018 童蒙先習 05 - 08 - 편집 역사

Youngoh64: /* Passage 8 : Fran */

2018-07-19T13:03:18Z

‎Passage 8 : Fran

Youngoh64: /* Passage 6 : (Okyang) */

2018-07-16T11:18:03Z

‎Passage 6 : (Okyang)

Youngoh64: /* Passage 8 : Fran */

2018-07-16T11:17:17Z

‎Passage 8 : Fran

Youngoh64: /* Passage 7 : Bryan Sauvadet */

2018-07-16T11:16:22Z

‎Passage 7 : Bryan Sauvadet

2018년 7월 10일 (화) 00:24에 Brasoly님의 편집

2018-07-10T00:24:01Z

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2018-07-10T00:18:46Z

Youngoh64: /* Passage 8 : Fran */

2018-07-09T15:21:29Z

‎Passage 8 : Fran

Okyang Chae-Duporge: /* Passage 6 : (Okyang) */

2018-07-09T13:51:44Z

‎Passage 6 : (Okyang)

Okyang Chae-Duporge: /* Passage 6 : (Okyang) */

2018-07-09T13:50:48Z

‎Passage 6 : (Okyang)

Chof: /* Passage 8 : (Write your name) */

2018-07-09T11:48:09Z

‎Passage 8 : (Write your name)

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 *Discussion Questions:
 + I had qualms about translating 同寅協恭. I take 同寅 to be a noun meaning colleague--or is that only a modern reading? But the phrase seems to render this into an adverb, hence "collegial assistance."<br />
-- (YO) I take 同寅協恭 a combination of two verb phrases (VP), 同寅 (to share respect) and 協恭 (to concert reverence). This is based on the Han-dyansty philological scholarship: 寅,居敬也。(說文); 寅,敬也。(爾雅). Also for the line from the ''Shangshu'',  《書‧皋陶謨》：『百僚師師，百工惟時……同寅協恭，和衷哉。』 ("the various ministers will emulate one another; all the officers will accomplish their duties at the proper times…When (sovereign and ministers show) a common reverence and united respect for these, lo! the moral nature (of the people) is made harmonious. (Legge's gtranslation from CTEXT), Kong Yingda 孔穎達 glossed 『使同敬合恭而和善。』 ("to let share/conjoin in respect and combine reverence, so that they harmonize their goodness/strengths"—I think 善 is more of strengths than moral goodness). The modern meaning 'colleague, collegial' is apparently an extension of these meanings.<br />
+(YO) I take 同寅協恭 a combination of two verb phrases (VP), 同寅 (to share respect) and 協恭 (to concert reverence). This is based on the Han-dyansty philological scholarship: 寅,居敬也。(說文); 寅,敬也。(爾雅). Also for the line from the ''Shangshu'',  《書‧皋陶謨》：『百僚師師，百工惟時……同寅協恭，和衷哉。』 ("the various ministers will emulate one another; all the officers will accomplish their duties at the proper times…When (sovereign and ministers show) a common reverence and united respect for these, lo! the moral nature (of the people) is made harmonious. (Legge's gtranslation from CTEXT), Kong Yingda 孔穎達 glossed 『使同敬合恭而和善。』 ("to let share/conjoin in respect and combine reverence, so that they harmonize their goodness/strengths"—I think 善 is more of strengths than moral goodness). The modern meaning 'colleague, collegial' is apparently an extension of these meanings.<br />
 + The characters 臻至 both individually mean "to arrive", but I'm following my dictionary rendering of it as a binome meaning "excellence." But should or could the whole phrase 以臻至治 read as "By means of arriving [at the collegial assistance] attain governing"?<br />
-- (YO) I think 臻 as verb means 'to attain, achieve, arrive' as you have it; 至 is a prefix, as in 至善 'extreme goodness, extremely good', 至高 'extremely high', etc—rather than 臻至 together as a binome. Hence, 'to attain/arrive at an extreme governing'?
+(YO) I think 臻 as verb means 'to attain, achieve, arrive' as you have it; 至 is a prefix, as in 至善 'extreme goodness, extremely good', 至高 'extremely high', etc—rather than 臻至 together as a binome. Hence, 'to attain/arrive at an extreme governing'?

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 *Discussion Questions:
-+ If we has Kongzi (K. Kongja) for Confucius, then shouldn't we have Shun instead of Sun? <br />
++ (YO) If we has Kongzi (K. Kongja) for Confucius, then shouldn't we have Shun instead of Sun? <br />
-+ You translated 蒸蒸乂 as 'subdue' but I wonder how we should take 蒸蒸 there.<br />
++ (YO) You translated 蒸蒸乂 as 'subdue' but I wonder how we should take 蒸蒸 there.<br />
 + To be more literal, "three thousand things belong to the five punishments, but nothing is worse than the unfilial action" could be "the number of crimes that belong to (or "subject to") the Five Punishments (treated as a proper name, thus needs to be capitalized) is three thousand, but nothing is grater than an unfilial action."

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 *Discussion Questions:
 + I had qualms about translating 同寅協恭. I take 同寅 to be a noun meaning colleague--or is that only a modern reading? But the phrase seems to render this into an adverb, hence "collegial assistance."<br />
-- I take 同寅協恭 a combination of two verb phrases (VP), 同寅 (to share respect) and 協恭 (to concert reverence). This is based on the Han-dyansty philological scholarship: 寅,居敬也。(說文); 寅,敬也。(爾雅). Also for the line from the ''Shangshu'',  《書‧皋陶謨》：『百僚師師，百工惟時……同寅協恭，和衷哉。』 ("the various ministers will emulate one another; all the officers will accomplish their duties at the proper times…When (sovereign and ministers show) a common reverence and united respect for these, lo! the moral nature (of the people) is made harmonious. (Legge's gtranslation from CTEXT), Kong Yingda 孔穎達 glossed 『使同敬合恭而和善。』 ("to let share/conjoin in respect and combine reverence, so that they harmonize their goodness/strengths"—I think 善 is more of strengths than moral goodness). The modern meaning 'colleague, collegial' is apparently an extension of these meanings.<br />
+- (YO) I take 同寅協恭 a combination of two verb phrases (VP), 同寅 (to share respect) and 協恭 (to concert reverence). This is based on the Han-dyansty philological scholarship: 寅,居敬也。(說文); 寅,敬也。(爾雅). Also for the line from the ''Shangshu'',  《書‧皋陶謨》：『百僚師師，百工惟時……同寅協恭，和衷哉。』 ("the various ministers will emulate one another; all the officers will accomplish their duties at the proper times…When (sovereign and ministers show) a common reverence and united respect for these, lo! the moral nature (of the people) is made harmonious. (Legge's gtranslation from CTEXT), Kong Yingda 孔穎達 glossed 『使同敬合恭而和善。』 ("to let share/conjoin in respect and combine reverence, so that they harmonize their goodness/strengths"—I think 善 is more of strengths than moral goodness). The modern meaning 'colleague, collegial' is apparently an extension of these meanings.<br />
 + The characters 臻至 both individually mean "to arrive", but I'm following my dictionary rendering of it as a binome meaning "excellence." But should or could the whole phrase 以臻至治 read as "By means of arriving [at the collegial assistance] attain governing"?<br />
-- I think 臻 as verb means 'to attain, achieve, arrive' as you have it; 至 is a prefix, as in 至善 'extreme goodness, extremely good', 至高 'extremely high', etc—rather than 臻至 together as a binome. Hence, 'to attain/arrive at an extreme governing'?
+- (YO) I think 臻 as verb means 'to attain, achieve, arrive' as you have it; 至 is a prefix, as in 至善 'extreme goodness, extremely good', 至高 'extremely high', etc—rather than 臻至 together as a binome. Hence, 'to attain/arrive at an extreme governing'?

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 *Discussion Questions:
-- 天地之'''分'''  =  分 here seen meaning 'sharing' more than 'divided'.
+- 天地之'''分'''  =  分 here seen meaning 'sharing' more than 'divided'. <br />
-- 天地之常經 = I am not sur about what is crossing Heaven and earth ... so I think it is the relation between rulers and subjects.
+- 天地之常經 = I am not sur about what is crossing Heaven and earth ... so I think it is the relation between rulers and subjects. <br />
 -  古今  =  'from past to present time' or 'across the ages' ...

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 (Kyrie) I think it would probably be best to be consistent by using all Chinese or all Korean pronunciations for the names that appear in the same passage.
-==='''Passage 7 : Bryan Sauavdet'''===
+==='''Passage 7 : Bryan Sauvadet'''===
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 .	君臣은 天地之分이라 尊且貴焉하며 卑且賤焉하니 尊貴之使卑賤과 卑賤之事尊貴는 天地之常經이며 古今之通義라

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 In the past, the great Shun’s mischievous father and his evil mother once wanted to kill him.
-Sun settled it down in harmony with filial piety, subdued constantly so as not to lean towards wickedness.
+Shun settled it down in harmony with filial piety, subdued constantly so as not to lean towards wickedness.
 His way of filial action reached in such a degree.
 Kongzi said that the number of crimes that belongs to the Five Punishments is three thousand, but nothing is grater than an unfilial action.

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-==='''Passage 8 : (Write your name)'''===
+==='''Passage 8 : Fran'''===
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+Therefore, when it comes to the ruler, he embodies the primary and issues orders and decrees. As for the minister, he adjusts the primary and displays goodness and blocks out the perverse. When they gather together, they each consummate their paths, collegially assist each other, and govern by means of this excellence.
 *Discussion Questions:
++ I had qualms about translating 同寅協恭. I take 同寅 to be a noun meaning colleague--or is that only a modern reading? But the phrase seems to render this into an adverb, hence "collegial assistance."