2018 推句 05 - 10 - 편집 역사

Kyrie: /* Poem 5 : (Write your name) */

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‎Poem 5 : (Write your name)

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‎Translation

2018-07-10T10:30:59Z

‎Poem 9 : (Ewa)

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‎Poem 9 : (Ewa)

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‎Poem 9 : (Ewa)

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‎Poem 5 : (Kyrie)

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‎Poem 5 : (Kyrie)

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‎Poem 7 : (Okyang Chae-Duporge)

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++To what does the 多 refer to? Are there many summer clouds or are the mountain peaks made by the clouds many? If the former, how can it be expressed in the translation?
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← 이전 판		2018년 7월 10일 (화) 10:30 판
67번째 줄:		67번째 줄:

	Humanness, righteousness, propriety, wisdom and trust.		Humanness, righteousness, propriety, wisdom and trust.
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	*Discussion Questions:		*Discussion Questions:

← 이전 판		2018년 7월 10일 (화) 10:30 판
67번째 줄:		67번째 줄:

	Humanness, righteousness, propriety, wisdom and trust.		Humanness, righteousness, propriety, wisdom and trust.
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← 이전 판		2018년 7월 9일 (월) 13:46 판
58번째 줄:		58번째 줄:

	(Kyrie) I can't quite seem to detach "being many" from referring to both the clouds and the mountain peaks. To me the are many and each is a peak hence the clouds make many peaks. How could it be translated to specify that "being many" applies to the clouds but not the peaks?		(Kyrie) I can't quite seem to detach "being many" from referring to both the clouds and the mountain peaks. To me the are many and each is a peak hence the clouds make many peaks. How could it be translated to specify that "being many" applies to the clouds but not the peaks?
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		+	[Julian] If you simply used "peaks" instead of "mountain peaks" here, I wonder if this would clear up the poem's connection between clouds and peaks without needing to replace the comma with "are?"

	==='''Poem 7 : (Okyang Chae-Duporge)'''===		==='''Poem 7 : (Okyang Chae-Duporge)'''===

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 +I tried to maintain the sense of a poem by separating  the topic of the line (ie/ summer clouds) from the description with  commas. Is this too fragmented? Would it be preferable to the readers if I connected the two clauses? (ie/ Summer clouds are many wondrous mountain peaks)<br />
 (YO) If we follow the parallelism, "being many" applies to the clouds rather than to the peaks, no?<br />
 +This poem (the whole quatrain) is attributed to Tao Yuanming 陶淵明 (365-427), but many have suspected that it was by Gu Kaizhi 顧愷之 (ca. 345-406). According to the ''Yiwen leiju'' 藝文類聚 (a Tang-dynasty ''leishu'' 類書 compiled by Ouyang Xun 歐陽詢), theses lines were selected from Gu Kaizhi's "Shenqing shi" 神情時 [A song for spiritual emotion], although slightly different—the last line had "cold pine tree' instead of "lonely pine tree". ("晉顧凱之神情詩曰春水滿四澤夏雲多奇峰秋月揚明輝冬嶺秀寒松摘句," ''Yiwen leiju'', Vol. 3.) This quatrain, as a whole or parts of it, have been used and augmented by several later poets as homage to Tao Yuanming.
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← 이전 판		2018년 7월 8일 (일) 03:09 판
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	*Discussion Questions:		*Discussion Questions:
		+	+ We have discussed how to handle the parallel of 為 - 作 alternation in 1-2 and 3-4. The difficulty is in the seemingly shifting use of 作 ('make, create'). I wonder if we can understand 作 to mean something like "to create a feel, image, or semblance of"?<br />
		+	+ 絕纓珠 is literally "beads of severed string" or "beads of which the string is cut".

	==='''Poem 9 : (Ewa)'''===		==='''Poem 9 : (Ewa)'''===