(Translation) 伎利檀 - 편집 역사

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Youngoh64: /* Student Translation : Jelena Gledić */

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‎Student Translation : Jelena Gledić

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Thpepe: /* Student Translation : Jelena Gledić */

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‎Student Translation : Jelena Gledić

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-|Translator = [[2018 Hanmun Summer Workshop (Intermediate)#Participants | Participants of 2018 Hanmun Summer Workshop (Intermediate Training Group)]]
+|Translator = [[2018 Summer Hanmun Workshop (Intermediate)#Participants | Participants of 2018 Summer Hanmun Workshop (Intermediate Training Group)]]
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 (JG) Yes, I guess that is maybe the best solution - including both, in a way.
-[[Category:2018 Hanmun Summer Workshop]]
+[[Category:2018 Summer Hanmun Workshop]]
 [[Category:Intermediate Training Group]]

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 =='''Original Script'''==

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 + In the text we have 天尊 and 天主 which can both be seen as God or spirit or the main holy entity of the doctrine, so I am not too happy using the same word in English to translate them (and I don't know if it is even correct), and I also want to avoid overly lengthy footnotes (although they might be necessary for this kind of text); also, if there was no concept of God before Christianity in Korea, is it appropriate to translate it using that word?<br />
-(YO) 天尊 was used by Daoists and Buddhists in the sense of heavenly deity, and some translated "Celestial Worthy (or Worthies)". As for 天主, which was coined by Jesuit missionaries and used in Matteo Ricci's (利瑪竇) ''Tianzhu shiyi'' 天主實義, may be translated literally as "Lord of Heaven". I am not sure if we can say there was no concept of God (or god) before Christianity. The notion of god, deity, or divine being was there, which was extended to idea of Christian God.
+(YO) 天尊 was used by Daoists and Buddhists in the sense of heavenly deity, and some translated "Celestial Worthy (or Worthies)". As for 天主, which was coined by Jesuit missionaries and used in Matteo Ricci's (利瑪竇) ''Tianzhu shiyi'' 天主實義, may be translated literally as "Lord of Heaven". I am not sure if we can say there was no concept of God (or god) before Christianity. The notion of god, deity, or divine being was there, which was extended to idea of Christian God.<br/>
 (JG) I see what you mean. I guess I meant more the concept of The God, the Christian God, a single, anthropomorphic deity who created humans. It is indeed a very complex question, and I guess one cannot avoid this complexity if the aim is a good translation. I like the idea of Lord of Heaven for 天主, so that could be a solution.

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-West of India, there is Yulopa. Yulopa means the Far West<ref>From the perspective of the author's culture, the West was India, and everything beyond that was considered the Far West.</ref> in the local language. This country has a practice called Kiridan, which means to serve heaven in the local language. This practice is not Confucianism, it is not Buddhism, and it is not Daoism. It is separately established on a different base. In general, they govern their minds and handle matters without disobeying heaven, and the various countries’ different images depicting God are respected and served. Lao Zi, Buddhism, and our teaching<ref>This refers to Confucianism. </ref> are expelled as enemies. Regarding what is mostly conveyed in our practice, the core is greatly different. As for Buddhism, they deeply oppose the concept of transmigration and consider there is a heaven and a hell. Their customs do not value marriage and they choose one who has never been close to women’s charms in his life and make him their leader, called the emperor of edification. Conveying God, they spread their teaching and edify the world. There is no hereditary succession, they choose the wise and ordain them. They have no personal families, only the public is their responsibility. Also, they have no sons, only the people are their children. Their books are like those of the Hui people<ref>This refers to the Uighur and Hui people, who are different from the local majority population.  </ref>, the left is the beginning and the rule is to write horizontally. Their scholars lay emphasis on friendly relations. They are knowledgeable about celestial patterns. “Ŏu yadam”
+West of India, there is Kurap'a. Kurap'a means the Far West<ref>From the perspective of the author's culture, the West was India, and everything beyond that was considered the Far West.</ref> in the local language. This country has a practice called Kiridan, which means to serve heaven in the local language. This practice is not Confucianism, it is not Buddhism, and it is not Daoism. It is separately established on a different base. In general, they govern their minds and handle matters without disobeying heaven, and the various countries’ different images depicting God are respected and served. Lao Zi, Buddhism, and our teaching<ref>This refers to Confucianism. </ref> are expelled as enemies. Regarding what is mostly conveyed in our practice, the core is greatly different. As for Buddhism, they deeply oppose the concept of transmigration and consider there is a heaven and a hell. Their customs do not value marriage and they choose one who has never been close to women’s charms in his life and make him their leader, called the emperor of edification. Conveying God, they spread their teaching and edify the world. There is no hereditary succession, they choose the wise and ordain them. They have no personal families, only the public is their responsibility. Also, they have no sons, only the people are their children. Their books are like those of the Hui people<ref>This refers to the Uighur and Hui people, who are different from the local majority population.  </ref>, the left is the beginning and the rule is to write horizontally. Their scholars lay emphasis on friendly relations. They are knowledgeable about celestial patterns. “Ŏu yadam”
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 + I was not sure about transcribing the Chinese characters into Korean (Yulopa)<br />
 (Petra) 歐羅巴 is read like 구라파, so in M.-R. romanization it's Kurap'a (for the Korean romanization I like this http://roman.cs.pusan.ac.kr/input_eng.aspx page)
 + In the text we have 天尊 and 天主 which can both be seen as God or spirit or the main holy entity of the doctrine, so I am not too happy using the same word in English to translate them (and I don't know if it is even correct), and I also want to avoid overly lengthy footnotes (although they might be necessary for this kind of text); also, if there was no concept of God before Christianity in Korea, is it appropriate to translate it using that word?<br />
 (YO) 天尊 was used by Daoists and Buddhists in the sense of heavenly deity, and some translated "Celestial Worthy (or Worthies)". As for 天主, which was coined by Jesuit missionaries and used in Matteo Ricci's (利瑪竇) ''Tianzhu shiyi'' 天主實義, may be translated literally as "Lord of Heaven". I am not sure if we can say there was no concept of God (or god) before Christianity. The notion of god, deity, or divine being was there, which was extended to idea of Christian God.
 + I intentionally translated 我 as plural (Our) because I assumed the author is describing this strange practice to his own people<br />
 (Petra) I like the 我 as 'our' in this text, it suits it better than just 'my'.
 + Similar to the question of God, I was not sure if 教化皇 can maybe be translated as Pope, since this was a foreign concept, or is it better to translate it by description?<br />
 (Petra) I would probably like better translating it by description and mentioning the meaning 'pope' down in a footnote.
 [[Category:2018 Hanmun Summer Workshop]]
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	+ In the text we have 天尊 and 天主 which can both be seen as God or spirit or the main holy entity of the doctrine, so I am not too happy using the same word in English to translate them (and I don't know if it is even correct), and I also want to avoid overly lengthy footnotes (although they might be necessary for this kind of text); also, if there was no concept of God before Christianity in Korea, is it appropriate to translate it using that word?<br />		+ In the text we have 天尊 and 天主 which can both be seen as God or spirit or the main holy entity of the doctrine, so I am not too happy using the same word in English to translate them (and I don't know if it is even correct), and I also want to avoid overly lengthy footnotes (although they might be necessary for this kind of text); also, if there was no concept of God before Christianity in Korea, is it appropriate to translate it using that word?<br />
		+	(YO) 天尊 was used by Daoists and Buddhists in the sense of heavenly deity, and some translated "Celestial Worthy (or Worthies)". As for 天主, which was coined by Jesuit missionaries and used in Matteo Ricci's (利瑪竇) ''Tianzhu shiyi'' 天主實義, may be translated literally as "Lord of Heaven". I am not sure if we can say there was no concept of God (or god) before Christianity. The notion of god, deity, or divine being was there, which was extended to idea of Christian God.

	+ I intentionally translated 我 as plural (Our) because I assumed the author is describing this strange practice to his own people<br />		+ I intentionally translated 我 as plural (Our) because I assumed the author is describing this strange practice to his own people<br />

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+天竺之西，有歐羅巴，歐羅巴者，方言大西也。其國有一道曰伎利檀，方言事天也。其道非儒非釋非仙，別立一端，凡處心行事，不違於天，而列國各盡天尊之象，奉而事之，排老釋及我教如仇敵。至如我多所稱述，而大本懸絕，至於佛教深排輪迴之說，而以天堂地獄為有。其俗不尚婚娶，擇平生不近女色者，為之君長，號教化皇。繼天主頒教諭世，無有襲嗣，擇賢而立，無私家，惟公是務。又無子，惟兆民是子。其書若如回回，以左為上，而此則横書作行。其士重朋友之交，多精天文星象。《於于野談》
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